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The environment for trading property at present is the best (I believe) we have seen for 5 years or so.

The attached Northampton property (NN3) was bought on 23rd Nov 11 for £60,000 and I sold it 69 days later at £82,500.

No refurb was undertaken and I only ever visited it twice.

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how did you source it? how did you sell it - did you do anything special or different? Thanks for sharing Ramnik
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Tidy bit of Business indeed Sir. Well played !

As Deep says " tell us more" as I dont mind a £22k cash injection into my wallet.
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Well done.

Towards the end of last year I had been watching a property on the Market with a local estate agent. It was on the Market for 3 months for £54k and was very dated. I viewed the property and offered £38k which after some calls was accepted. I placed it straight in the auction without touching it and sold it for £48,500. The purchase took a while as the owner was taken into a home and there was complications in there children getting power of attorney.
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Thanks for your replies gents and for your interest. As requested, I would be pleased to tell you more ...

The raw lead was generated via a property sourcer that I know well. They initially spoke to the seller and invited me to come with them to visit the property and too meet the elderly vendor.

The inclination via that first phone call was that the seller wanted a quick sale ie 2 weeks and therefore my services were required! :-)

The sourcer and I visited the property, met the vendor and got an understanding of what he wanted and what his prime motivation was. We understood his situation, we suggested that we could genuinely help and would be keen on making an offer as we were local and understood the market conditions.

Once again (this is a very common theme on the deals that I am presently doing), the o/s mortgage was only £8k, so plenty of equity in the property and there no other secured debt.

The vendor did not live in the property and it required a refurb (5k-7k) and was totally full of his belongings. I suggested ideally the property would have to be cleared before I buy it but it was not neccessary if it caused the vendor any discomfort or inconvenience. This gained me a few brownie points!

He wanted 70k for his property, I suggested 60k and the key thing being was demonstrating PROOF OF FUNDS. I have done this before and it works an absolute treat. It shows that you are serious, credible and it gives the certainty that our vendors want.

I did not bother with any searches, nor RICS survey and proceeded with the sale which was concluded within the timescales that was requested.

Properties in the street would fetch a sale price of circa 90k-100k done up to a lettable standard in my opinion.

My exit strategy (or disposal of stock) was very simple and logical; engage 3 local, hungry estate agents and let them fight it out. I did pay 2k plus VAT for the privilege though. The reason for the multi agency route was that I wanted to create competition, I did not want to be tied down to one agent and I did not mind paying the extra. Its all about getting your capital back out with some profit and getting a good rate of return. (I have not worked out the annualised rate; where's Gerry when you need him!!)

It was marketed at £86,995 and I accepted £82,500 from a cash buyer. The buyer remortaged another property to buy mine so thankfully I was not subject to any complications with the CML guideline of 6 months.

So the trick is (as Mike suggests - nice deal yourself by the way), buy it right and sell it right i.e. leave something in it for your onward buyer.

If anyone needs any further clarification or has any more questions, please fire away.

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Thanks Ramnik for the insight.
Just one simple question...
How many deals do you look at on average per week?
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How many deals do you look at on average per week?
On average I guess I get presented approx 1-2 deals per week. I do not monitor such statistics to be honest.

At present I am selling one in LE17, NN2, NN1 (exchanged yesterday to sell).

I have instructed legals on 2 that I am buying in Staffordshire and one in Sheffield.

Hope that helps Maninder.
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Hi Ramnik....long time no see!!

I know you sometimes sell properties at auction. When you do this, have you bought the property first in the normal way or do you secure it on an option and then sell it?

And....If for instance, someone was having problems selling their property because it needed refurbing, have you ever agreed an option price, refurbed it then sold it at auction? Or do you not bother with the refurbs?

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Its all about getting your capital back out with some profit and getting a good rate of return. (I have not worked out the annualised rate; where's Gerry when you need him!!)



Good luck folks.
Hi Ramnik,

I voted this thread as excellent. In answer to your question above:

bought on 23rd Nov 11 for £60,000 and I sold it 69 days later at £82,500.
I did pay 2k plus VAT for the privilege though


annualized rate - 365 / 69 = 5.347826087 turns on your deal

return on investment = (82,500 - 2,400 - 60,000)/60,000 = 0.335 = 33.5%
Annualized return =((1.335^5.347826)-1)*100 = 369%. Pretty good - better than spread betting
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Hi Gerry, my hero! Thanks for that.
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Hey Suzie -

To answer your questions:

"I know you sometimes sell properties at auction. When you do this, have you bought the property first in the normal way or do you secure it on an option and then sell it?"

I have done both ie outright purchase and taken legal title and also the option route. I kind of work out what's best for the vendor and proceed along those lines.

"And....If for instance, someone was having problems selling their property because it needed refurbing, have you ever agreed an option price, refurbed it then sold it at auction? Or do you not bother with the refurbs?"

I haven't Suzie as I do not like doing refurbs. But I am sure the above scenario would work well and I am sure people on the forum have done that.
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Thanks Ramnik, good of you to share your knowledge.

Bloody hell Gerry...bet you did that without the aid of a calculator as well....genius!!.. Hope you're well x
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Great stuff ramnik...thanks for your help on my kingswinford problem. Just like you have done above i have also gone the multi agency route with some hungry estate agents. Hopefully legals won't be as complicated this time.
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sorry I don't have much input other then these were both amazing deals Ramnik and Mike! Great examples for all of us
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